Jor El believes in transparency. Here's what we talk about when you're not around.
[4/23/2010 11:55:41 AM] *** Ayse Sumer added Claire Berlinski, ivan10000, Knut Milbredt, Okan Altiparmak, Asli Suner ***
[4/23/2010 11:55:49 AM] Ayse Sumer: Hello all
[4/23/2010 11:56:13 AM] Ayse Sumer: Are we ready to start the conversation?
[4/23/2010 11:56:20 AM] Suha Ülgen: Hello.
[4/23/2010 11:56:50 AM] Ayse Sumer: it looks like its just 4 of us - Claire is having trouble with her connection and will go in and out
[4/23/2010 11:57:00 AM] Ayse Sumer: Viktor are you there?
[4/23/2010 11:57:04 AM] ivan10000: Im here.. listening..
[4/23/2010 11:57:25 AM] Ayse Sumer: great did you all read the latest postings on the discussion board re ngo status?
[4/23/2010 11:57:41 AM] Suha Ülgen: No. I didn't.
[4/23/2010 11:57:58 AM] Ayse Sumer: The Turkish lawyer and the US lawyer gave their recommendations......I suggest that you look at it while we are talking
[4/23/2010 11:58:13 AM] Suha Ülgen: Thanks. I'll look at it.
[4/23/2010 11:59:03 AM] Ayse Sumer: My conversation with the US lawyer was interesting - there are some details that we need to iron out on both sides but the essence is that he recommends that we become a US charitable organization
[4/23/2010 11:59:18 AM] Ayse Sumer: that will give us a tax exempt status rather than be an ngo
[4/23/2010 11:59:47 AM] Ayse Sumer: we can receive donations and the donors can use that for tax purposes
[4/23/2010 12:00:22 PM] Ayse Sumer: I need to find someone who knows the tax exempt status application which apparently is the difficult process
[4/23/2010 12:01:50 PM] Ayse Sumer: In the meantime Asli is communicating with the lawyer in Turkey. While those discussions are going I have started looking and talking to some potential celebrity endorsers
[4/23/2010 12:02:05 PM] Ayse Sumer: Viktor how is your fund raising concert coming along?
[4/23/2010 12:02:16 PM] ivan10000: oh
[4/23/2010 12:02:20 PM] ivan10000: that' sjust a litle party
[4/23/2010 12:02:27 PM] ivan10000: there is going to be a big concert
[4/23/2010 12:02:38 PM] ivan10000: in june.. not announced yet
[4/23/2010 12:02:45 PM] ivan10000: this is the warm up
[4/23/2010 12:02:47 PM] Ayse Sumer: I seriously would like to try and organize one for Jor EL
[4/23/2010 12:03:03 PM] Ayse Sumer: where and who is helping you?
[4/23/2010 12:03:37 PM] ivan10000: a concert promoter who approached us and volunteer to do this because he loves dogs.. this is what I tried
[4/23/2010 12:03:42 PM] ivan10000: to bring the other day into the pic
[4/23/2010 12:03:48 PM] ivan10000: the larger your community
[4/23/2010 12:03:54 PM] ivan10000: the bigger possibilities it creates
[4/23/2010 12:04:04 PM] ivan10000: if we had to pay for ANYTHING there would be no LEt's Adopt
[4/23/2010 12:04:36 PM] ivan10000: on the other hand as fund raising events dont really work..
[4/23/2010 12:04:36 PM] Ayse Sumer: that is great the concert and celebrity endorser I'm reaching out to might actually do one for jor el if we approach it right
[4/23/2010 12:05:00 PM] ivan10000: Ill email you a study prepared by a consultancy on fund raising matters (confidential.. someone paid top $$$ for it)
[4/23/2010 12:06:31 PM] Ayse Sumer: sure - when I say fundraising I'm talking about a concert organized with donors for all the necessary equipment, space, and charging tickets to attendees - that would be the monies coming to the organization
[4/23/2010 12:06:44 PM] Ayse Sumer: anyhow what do you all think about theUS entity?
[4/23/2010 12:08:13 PM] ivan10000: Hierarchies are there just to slow down progress..
you need an organization as flat as possible...
I may sound like the hippy-anarchist here but I dont really see the point of any sort of registration at this stage yet..
anyway. that is just me.. I'm usually wrong.
[4/23/2010 12:09:09 PM] Suha Ülgen: Do we know everything we need to know about it to decide? Browsing the discussion I get the impression that we don't.
[4/23/2010 12:09:40 PM] Ayse Sumer: Its not a matter of wrong or right idea - just what works the best for us - consensus - also any form of an entity is min 6 months but we need to think about it and after deciding start the process
[4/23/2010 12:10:29 PM] Ayse Sumer: I will have further information next week - talking to another lawyer/tax consultant and the NGO based out of US that works in turkey experience will be interesting
[4/23/2010 12:10:31 PM] ivan10000: I just finished reading a book by Richard Branson.. it's called Screw it, Let's Do it!
The guy specifically advises start up and NGO's to forget about any sort of paperwork until it is really unavoidable.
He says many great ideas dont leave the idea stage because people start flying around like butterflies around a lamp and in the end they burn out.
[4/23/2010 12:11:36 PM] Ayse Sumer: I've read a bit about that as well - and am not disputing it at all - but if and when we start it would be good to be prepared and ready to go -
[4/23/2010 12:11:38 PM] Suha Ülgen: Can someone summarize how the exercise went? I don't have a good sense of what was accomplished. Let's assess the experience to build on what worked.
[4/23/2010 12:11:44 PM] Claire Berlinski: OK, I'm here.
[4/23/2010 12:11:54 PM] Claire Berlinski: I can go across the street to the Internet cafe ...
[4/23/2010 12:11:58 PM] Ayse Sumer: I'll let Victor and Claire tell that
[4/23/2010 12:12:07 PM] Claire Berlinski: but I may be stable for now.
[4/23/2010 12:12:26 PM] ivan10000: I wasn't part of it but I read this blog post
[4/23/2010 12:12:29 PM] ivan10000: http://www.journalistinturkey.com/blogs/party-lots-of-drunken-guests_1285/
[4/23/2010 12:12:35 PM] ivan10000: describes is pretty well I guess
[4/23/2010 12:13:00 PM] Claire Berlinski: OK ... the main problem was that we didn't have enough volunteers to input the data.
[4/23/2010 12:13:06 PM] Suha Ülgen: Thanks.
[4/23/2010 12:13:25 PM] Claire Berlinski: People did a great job with the Tweets, but it's hard to assess how usable the software was, because not enough people tried to use it.
[4/23/2010 12:14:05 PM] Claire Berlinski: What we need to do in the next exercise is go to the universities and get a class of students who will commit to doing that, maybe for extra-credit in a class.
[4/23/2010 12:14:12 PM] Ayse Sumer: Claire is having a hard time joining in - from what I read it was a good start but the problems seems to be on mapping and entering data
[4/23/2010 12:14:37 PM] Claire Berlinski: I asked people for feedback about why they didn't input -- was it confusing, were there problems ---
[4/23/2010 12:14:42 PM] Claire Berlinski: but the feedback was limited.
[4/23/2010 12:14:51 PM] Suha Ülgen: I am working on a project that addresses that issue.
[4/23/2010 12:15:04 PM] Claire Berlinski: Basically, I suspect people were comfortable doing what they already knew how to do --using Twitter --
[4/23/2010 12:15:12 PM] Claire Berlinski: but didn't want to learn to do something new.
[4/23/2010 12:15:29 PM] Claire Berlinski: Not surprising.
[4/23/2010 12:15:55 PM] Claire Berlinski: Yes, Ayse ... I'm here, can you see this?
[4/23/2010 12:16:23 PM] Claire Berlinski: Which issue exactly ...
[4/23/2010 12:16:57 PM] *** Ayse Sumer added Liam Hardy ***
[4/23/2010 12:17:21 PM] Ayse Sumer: how do you feel about the whole exercise?
[4/23/2010 12:17:34 PM] Ayse Sumer: yes
[4/23/2010 12:17:56 PM] Ayse Sumer: we started talking about the ngo status and moved on to the dry-run
[4/23/2010 12:18:27 PM] Claire Berlinski: I think the exercise was very successful given that it was the first time we tried the system.
[4/23/2010 12:18:43 PM] Claire Berlinski: Now we know what we need to do to make it work the next time.
[4/23/2010 12:19:05 PM] Suha Ülgen: Patrick Meier of CrisisMappersNet is putting together a University Network of Crisis Commons. I offered to help him get Bogazici University Kandilli Rasathanesi and Earthquake Research Institute on the network which he was very pleased to hear. BU/KOERI may very well be the university node we are looking for in Turkey.
[4/23/2010 12:19:08 PM] Ayse Sumer: Suha suggested that before we move on with any status declaration we shoud review the dry run
[4/23/2010 12:19:36 PM] Claire Berlinski: Great.
[4/23/2010 12:20:03 PM] Ayse Sumer: Look one other idea we did mention but did not dwell on is being part of a University - private - which would give us an interesting status
[4/23/2010 12:20:03 PM] Claire Berlinski: I spoke to Crisis Commons people in London and the US last week -- they know what we're doing and want to support it in any way they can.
[4/23/2010 12:20:18 PM] Liam Hardy: hello everyone. sorry for joining late.
[4/23/2010 12:20:30 PM] Suha Ülgen: Who is providing technical support for the Turkish instance of USHAHIDI?
[4/23/2010 12:20:37 PM] Claire Berlinski: Ayse, here's one of my -- hi Liam -- biggest concerns.
[4/23/2010 12:20:53 PM] Claire Berlinski: Knut Milbrecht, for now.
[4/23/2010 12:21:10 PM] Claire Berlinski: We have many people who can in principle help, but he's doing the heavy lifting.
[4/23/2010 12:21:39 PM] Claire Berlinski: OK, as status goes, here's my biggest concern.
[4/23/2010 12:21:44 PM] ivan10000: Claire.. that is ok.. there is always someone to do the heavy lifting
[4/23/2010 12:21:44 PM] Suha Ülgen: OK. I'll follow up with him separately on the technical issues. I notice that the site is rater sluggish in response.
[4/23/2010 12:22:30 PM] Claire Berlinski: We all know that the main problem, the biggest problem, is construction standards. That improving emergency preparation is critical, urgent,
[4/23/2010 12:22:49 PM] Claire Berlinski: but that the biggest problem by far is that so many buildings will collapse.
[4/23/2010 12:23:11 PM] Claire Berlinski: We also know -- as does anyone who lives in Turkey and has the slightest real experience with the country --
[4/23/2010 12:23:29 PM] Claire Berlinski: that the obstacles to solving this are corruption, bureaucracy, and political incompetence.
[4/23/2010 12:23:39 PM] Claire Berlinski: If we do not say this frankly,
[4/23/2010 12:23:57 PM] Claire Berlinski: we are not really addressing the heart of the problem. We're putting band aids on it.
[4/23/2010 12:24:24 PM] Claire Berlinski: When I spoke to the Crisis COmmons people on the conference call and said this, there was sort of a stunned silence,
[4/23/2010 12:24:40 PM] Claire Berlinski: and then I was quickly told that they "didn't want to talk about things like that, because they want to be non-political."
[4/23/2010 12:24:47 PM] Ayse Sumer: in that case we really need to reach out to architects and construction companies whom we can identify as responsible and knowledged people to work with us on the building codings to start with
[4/23/2010 12:25:02 PM] Claire Berlinski: OK, I get that ... but that's like saying, "We don't want to talk about the fact that you have cancer, so let's treat your acne."
[4/23/2010 12:25:32 PM] Claire Berlinski: I am worried about getting under an umbrella -- whether it's an NGO or a private university or whatever --
[4/23/2010 12:25:42 PM] Ayse Sumer: unfortunately there is no way we can get away from those dreaded things so we work with and around it and start a process
[4/23/2010 12:25:49 PM] Claire Berlinski: that says to us, "We can't say that because people will be offended."
[4/23/2010 12:26:17 PM] Claire Berlinski: Me, I'm offended by the idea of tens of thousands of kids being crushed to death because no one will say these things.
[4/23/2010 12:26:19 PM] Ayse Sumer: that is why I suggested that we become our own entity - boss
[4/23/2010 12:26:23 PM] ivan10000: Well... I have a little experience dealing with construction companie . Consruction has improved radically since the last earthquake.. everythin gthat is newly built
[4/23/2010 12:26:53 PM] ivan10000: is built up to very stringent specs... the problem are the mutahit and the gecekondu constructions
[4/23/2010 12:26:59 PM] Claire Berlinski: Ivan, it has to an extent -- but remember I have some experience with them too.
[4/23/2010 12:27:05 PM] Claire Berlinski: Some really bad experience.
[4/23/2010 12:27:15 PM] Claire Berlinski: Some of the companies are great and very responsible,
[4/23/2010 12:27:21 PM] Ayse Sumer: at least internally if we have strength and consensus we can show a good force to the outside
[4/23/2010 12:27:28 PM] Claire Berlinski: others are murderers, and they get away with it.
[4/23/2010 12:27:45 PM] Claire Berlinski: But my point is ... we have to be able to say the truth, or we're wasting our time.
[4/23/2010 12:28:34 PM] Ayse Sumer: look we all know the problems so lets get going and see where it leads us - lets start and I for one am not interesting in telling people what they want to hear - in other words lie and cheat
[4/23/2010 12:28:35 PM] Claire Berlinski: Whatever formal status we adopt, that's my main concern: Not putting ourselves in a situation where people can say to us, "You shouldn't say that because we're funded by X, or sponsored by the government," or "We're afraid people will get upset with us."
[4/23/2010 12:29:10 PM] Ayse Sumer: that is why we become our own entity
[4/23/2010 12:29:24 PM] Claire Berlinski: So ... I'm raising this issue as one that we need to really be aware of before getting under the umbrella, say, of a private university.
[4/23/2010 12:29:41 PM] Ayse Sumer: I understand that Claire
[4/23/2010 12:30:04 PM] Claire Berlinski: Because as people who really live in Turkey know (as opposed to people who think they know about Turkey), a lot of those universities are part of the crony system.
[4/23/2010 12:30:11 PM] Ayse Sumer: we have to put all options on the table and feel confident that we've not left anything out
[4/23/2010 12:31:04 PM] Ayse Sumer: Liam how come we dont see any of the things you are writing?
[4/23/2010 12:31:11 PM] Claire Berlinski: So the problems as I see it are: 1) how do we legally raise funds; 2) how do we minimize the bureaucratic hassle, and 3) how do we do this in the fastest, most efficient way possible.
[4/23/2010 12:31:24 PM] Liam Hardy: I'm just gonna jump in even though I don't know all that was previously discussed. I commute across the city for work from Beşiktaş to İkitele and see how terrible the situation is. I don't know if this is the vision you have for Jor El, but I see there needs to be some kind of system in place targeting and seeking out the opportunities to buy and demolish some of these buildings.
[4/23/2010 12:31:50 PM] Claire Berlinski: Ivan's answer -- no need for a formal organization at all -- won't work, because we cannot legally accept funds without one.
[4/23/2010 12:32:00 PM] Liam Hardy: is Jor El going to totally response oriented or prevention or both? just curious
[4/23/2010 12:32:30 PM] Claire Berlinski: Liam, that's a good point, but I think it would be good if you read in on the discussion boards -- a lot of this has been discussed.
[4/23/2010 12:32:57 PM] Ayse Sumer: so the question is do we want to be a US or TR entity? And then go from there
[4/23/2010 12:33:16 PM] Liam Hardy: ok - ill go back after the conversation and see what's been said
[4/23/2010 12:34:03 PM] Claire Berlinski: Ayse, from what I understand, we still don't have the information we need to make that decision, because from what I understood from Asli, the attorney with whom she spoke didn't feel she had enough information to advise us about that.
[4/23/2010 12:34:52 PM] Ayse Sumer: She does not have the US details, which I am complete by Monday and she can review it there
[4/23/2010 12:35:08 PM] Claire Berlinski: My gut strongly says a US entity, for a lot of reasons -- ease of establishment, independence, the possibility of making Jor El something broader than just an Istanbul-based organization. (I've already found people in Santo Domingo who are interested, for example.)
[4/23/2010 12:35:14 PM] Ayse Sumer: great grammer - I meant I will complete the info
[4/23/2010 12:35:34 PM] Claire Berlinski: I understood.
[4/23/2010 12:35:53 PM] Ayse Sumer: I agree that is what I had in mind expanding it to more than Istanbul
[4/23/2010 12:36:35 PM] Claire Berlinski: Ayse, did you get the draft mission statement?
[4/23/2010 12:36:44 PM] Ayse Sumer: no when did you send it?
[4/23/2010 12:36:59 PM] Ayse Sumer: I will work with the lawyer on that info
[4/23/2010 12:36:59 PM] Claire Berlinski: This morning.
[4/23/2010 12:37:04 PM] Ayse Sumer: to where?
[4/23/2010 12:37:19 PM] Claire Berlinski: It's too long,
[4/23/2010 12:37:36 PM] Claire Berlinski: but with a little cutting it should do the job -- to your e-mail address.
[4/23/2010 12:37:49 PM] Ayse Sumer: dont have it just checked not here - email@example.com
[4/23/2010 12:38:30 PM] Claire Berlinski: I'll re-send it when the Internet's less buggy.
[4/23/2010 12:38:41 PM] Ayse Sumer: okey please do
[4/23/2010 12:38:48 PM] Claire Berlinski: I don't want to take the chance of getting disconnected now.
[4/23/2010 12:39:16 PM] Suha Ülgen: A bit late in responding but - I agree with Claire. We have to say the truth. But also we must find ways to empower the people to help themselves. My suggestion for getting BU/KOERI involved was to get them to facilitate the deployment of a Crisis Commons node to respond to an emergency. Nothing more at the moment. We would hope that the emergency occurs somewhere else in the world before it happens in Turkey so that we have some practice under our belt.
[4/23/2010 12:39:44 PM] Claire Berlinski: Yes, that's a great idea, Suha.
[4/23/2010 12:40:09 PM] Claire Berlinski: In fact, I couldn't agree more that working on a project like this when there's a real emergency is the only way to completely understand it ...
[4/23/2010 12:40:17 PM] Ayse Sumer: So I'm thinking that we all review everything by next week and then touch base - all please read posts as we post all info there
[4/23/2010 12:40:18 PM] Claire Berlinski: that, unfortunately, was how I learned.
[4/23/2010 12:40:43 PM] Ayse Sumer: yes its the fastest teacher
[4/23/2010 12:41:16 PM] Claire Berlinski: And if BU/KOERI people were working on something like this in real time, as it was deployed, they'd be really in good shape if they had to use it in Istanbul.
[4/23/2010 12:41:37 PM] Ayse Sumer: my friend who was working for a week in Haiti as a nurse just returned back and she still cant put into words what happened there
[4/23/2010 12:41:38 PM] Claire Berlinski: Not that, God forbid, I am wishing for an emergency anywhere in the world.
[4/23/2010 12:42:14 PM] Ayse Sumer: did you hear about the earthquake in Chile today?
[4/23/2010 12:42:28 PM] Claire Berlinski: This is why I go nuts when people tell me -- yes, I did, but it seems there were no reports of casualties.
[4/23/2010 12:42:54 PM] Claire Berlinski: it's why I go nuts when people tell me that we can't discuss the real issues because it's too "political."
[4/23/2010 12:43:03 PM] Suha Ülgen: That's interesting. GDACS did not send an alert message!
[4/23/2010 12:43:17 PM] Claire Berlinski: Children in Haiti having their limbs amputated WITHOUT ANESTHESIA.
[4/23/2010 12:43:17 PM] Ayse Sumer: it was 6.1
[4/23/2010 12:43:36 PM] Claire Berlinski: That's what happens when buildings collapse and there are no preparations for dealing with the aftermath.
[4/23/2010 12:44:04 PM] Claire Berlinski: Twitter, Suha --
[4/23/2010 12:44:19 PM] Claire Berlinski: it's far more reliable and fast than any other source of news.
[4/23/2010 12:44:59 PM] Ayse Sumer: yes Suha get on board please!
[4/23/2010 12:45:04 PM] Claire Berlinski: Follow my earthquake list and you'll be the first to know about any shaking, anywhere in the world.
[4/23/2010 12:46:00 PM] ivan10000: Well.. two nights ago our bed started shaking incontrolably.. Fulya was freaking out .. it turned out it was Chak Chak, our orange tabby scratching!
[4/23/2010 12:46:06 PM] Suha Ülgen: I should set my alert threshold lower AND get on twitter.
[4/23/2010 12:46:13 PM] Ayse Sumer: there was an article today I have yet to post on fb will send to you about the movement on and in earth
[4/23/2010 12:46:36 PM] Ayse Sumer: naughty Chak Chak~
[4/23/2010 12:46:53 PM] Claire Berlinski: I need to go soon to enjoy the family that is still alive, thank God ...
[4/23/2010 12:47:07 PM] Ayse Sumer: okey what is the next plan?
[4/23/2010 12:47:27 PM] Claire Berlinski: 1) Read the mission statement, which I'll resend in a moment.
[4/23/2010 12:47:32 PM] Claire Berlinski: 2) Send back suggestions,
[4/23/2010 12:47:39 PM] Claire Berlinski: 3) I'll post for group feedback.
[4/23/2010 12:47:59 PM] Ayse Sumer: we all get the necessary info - and then touch base next week
[4/23/2010 12:48:04 PM] Claire Berlinski: 4) Take this to lawyer in US and ask about getting a status there that would allow us to receive funds with minimum hassle.
[4/23/2010 12:48:11 PM] Claire Berlinski: 5) If we can find one, we do it.
[4/23/2010 12:48:13 PM] Ayse Sumer: tamam
[4/23/2010 12:48:18 PM] Claire Berlinski: 6) Start raising funds.
[4/23/2010 12:48:29 PM] Suha Ülgen: Good plan!
[4/23/2010 12:48:36 PM] Claire Berlinski: 7) Suha will get his university contacts involved in the project;
[4/23/2010 12:48:50 PM] Suha Ülgen: Agreed.
[4/23/2010 12:49:35 PM] Claire Berlinski: 9) I don't think my Internet connection is good enough for me to post these notes right now, but I will.
[4/23/2010 12:49:53 PM] Liam Hardy: good plan. this looks like a great project and hope i can contribute somehow later on
[4/23/2010 12:50:02 PM] Claire Berlinski: is everyone comfortable with having everything else posted?
[4/23/2010 12:50:11 PM] Claire Berlinski: Liam, we will totally put you to work.
[4/23/2010 12:50:21 PM] Claire Berlinski: We will give you as much work as you can handle.
[4/23/2010 12:50:22 PM] Liam Hardy: fine by me
[4/23/2010 12:50:34 PM] Suha Ülgen: Yes.
[4/23/2010 12:50:38 PM] Ayse Sumer: yes you being in Turkey helps
[4/23/2010 12:50:51 PM] Suha Ülgen: Who is in Turkey?
[4/23/2010 12:50:55 PM] Claire Berlinski: Liam, could you send me your regular e-mail address?
[4/23/2010 12:51:04 PM] Suha Ülgen: Oh. I get it.
[4/23/2010 12:51:16 PM] Claire Berlinski: I'll send these notes to this group first before posting. I usually am.
[4/23/2010 12:51:30 PM] Claire Berlinski: Right now I'm in the Dominican Republic.
[4/23/2010 12:51:36 PM] Liam Hardy: sure
[4/23/2010 12:51:49 PM] Ayse Sumer: Liam is
[4/23/2010 12:51:54 PM] Claire Berlinski: (I don't have a fetish for seismic zones, I'm just visiting my family.)
[4/23/2010 12:51:59 PM] Suha Ülgen: Claire, when are you going back to Turkey?
[4/23/2010 12:52:10 PM] Claire Berlinski: I have everyone else's e-mail address, right?
[4/23/2010 12:52:37 PM] Liam Hardy: I'm here until the end of July.
[4/23/2010 12:52:55 PM] Ayse Sumer: I'm there the whole month of June so I would love to take this opportunity and meet with you guys to go over things
[4/23/2010 12:52:59 PM] Claire Berlinski: Uh oh ... I think I've been cut off again. Anyone there?
[4/23/2010 12:53:49 PM] Claire Berlinski: Wow, this is like post-quake communication ... Facebook ok, e-mail out, Skype down, Twitter on and off.
[4/23/2010 12:53:56 PM] Ayse Sumer: for our marketing whether it be fund raising, bring awareness advertising etc..
[4/23/2010 12:54:17 PM] Ayse Sumer: it'll be like our cart visit
[4/23/2010 12:54:42 PM] Liam Hardy: ok- looking forward to catching up
[4/23/2010 12:54:53 PM] Claire Berlinski: May 10.
[4/23/2010 12:54:55 PM] ivan10000: ok guys.. a few months ago an amateur film maker made a short movie
[4/23/2010 12:54:57 PM] ivan10000: 5 minutes
[4/23/2010 12:55:00 PM] Ayse Sumer: will talk later Liam
[4/23/2010 12:55:15 PM] ivan10000: it showed he alien destruction of Montevideo
[4/23/2010 12:55:21 PM] ivan10000: the cost was 300 USD
[4/23/2010 12:55:25 PM] ivan10000: three hundred
[4/23/2010 12:55:28 PM] Ayse Sumer: wow that is good
[4/23/2010 12:55:32 PM] ivan10000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dadPWhEhVk
[4/23/2010 12:55:38 PM] Ayse Sumer: do you know him?
[4/23/2010 12:55:42 PM] ivan10000: watch his... it goes to prove one point
[4/23/2010 12:55:51 PM] ivan10000: what is needed here is talent
[4/23/2010 12:55:56 PM] Ayse Sumer: I will
[4/23/2010 12:55:57 PM] ivan10000: not money
[4/23/2010 12:56:05 PM] ivan10000: check that link...
[4/23/2010 12:56:38 PM] ivan10000: Im just very concerned that the search for funds will slow down everything
[4/23/2010 12:56:43 PM] Ayse Sumer: yes but as you noted a video has to be made which requires funding whether it be 10 or 1000
[4/23/2010 12:56:43 PM] Liam Hardy: wish I could. youtube still blocked here.
[4/23/2010 12:56:49 PM] ivan10000: well
[4/23/2010 12:56:50 PM] Claire Berlinski: Right ... I'm going to sign off, if I haven't already been cut off,
[4/23/2010 12:57:00 PM] ivan10000: if it is 300 bucks Im happy to pay for it.. :)
[4/23/2010 12:57:01 PM] Claire Berlinski: because I'm not seeing any messages from you.
[4/23/2010 12:57:09 PM] Ayse Sumer: searching for funds should not stop us from doing other work
[4/23/2010 12:57:10 PM] Claire Berlinski: We'll schedule the next call by Doodle again, okay?
[4/23/2010 12:57:16 PM] Ayse Sumer: not at all I dont believe that
[4/23/2010 12:57:28 PM] Ayse Sumer: multitasking Victor on all fronts
[4/23/2010 12:57:36 PM] Ayse Sumer: then things will fall in to place
[4/23/2010 12:57:58 PM] Ayse Sumer: same thing with the status we need to continue the work as we learn of issues and opportunities
[4/23/2010 12:59:45 PM] Ayse Sumer: okey guys it seems that Claire is disconnected again - so lets plan on catching up by midweek - we'll post info on a followup skype call until then continue the hard work and have a wonderful weekend.........